Human Waste

The Eternal Truth is precisely the reason I often contemplate Utopian visions for mankind.  I observe the status quo and ponder why man has elected to create structures that essentially enslave himself rather than structures that free himself.  The primary example is the man-made concept we call economics.

Economics at its core is really quite simple — human beings work together to provide each other with food, clothing, shelter, entertainment, and other things we may want or need including free time to ourselves for individual fulfillment.  Human beings working together can create almost anything we can imagine, need, or want.  We are unique relative to the animal kingdom on planet earth.

But the concept of economics is corrupted by a few bad apples that use it as a means to hoard more power and riches for themselves.  They view the vast majority of human beings as subjects, pawns, puppets, and fools to be brainwashed, exploited, controlled, and enslaved.  They don’t view children as precious sparks of fire that can transform the world.  They don’t view human energy and the application of that energy as the most valuable aspect of human potential.

Instead, they set out to burn human energy for their own ends leaving the vast majority in a pile of human waste.  Such men have always been in existence. They essentially embody our primal instincts we needed to survive before we emerged from the jungle.  They are gluttonous whores subject to, controlled from, and consumed by their dark side.  No light can penetrate their cold steel souls.  The skyscraper is the symbol of their control, inner being, and what they stand for.

I find it remarkable that the few can enslave and condemn the majority to a life of slavery masked as something else.  Structures should be created to render such men powerless, but the momentum leads to the perpetual cycle where young people are subject to the old.  The cycle can’t be broken as huge populations with watered down education continue to emerge as new subjects for the few.  As such, so much energy is burnt to no end other than for the benefit of a few shrewd men.  Those that understand they are slaves must expend enormous amounts of energy just to get short breaths of freedom.

The unfortunate result is that humanity takes its form and shape from the few bad apples.  Imagine if you can the forms and shapes we could take if we created structures that leveled men consumed by their primal dark sides?  Imagine what we could create and how we could live if we removed our own chains?  But this is nothing but a fantasy.  The majority would have to understand and believe in the Eternal Truth.  For belief in the Eternal Truth removes most of the contraptions used by the few to entrap and enslave the many.

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32 thoughts on “Human Waste

  1. Confucius is reported to have said: Keep your mind on humanity, and you will be free of evil. As your words say Tincup, the bad and powerful apples have abandoned any human connection to humanity, and are bathed in darkness……….and in our modern times, it would seem people of virtue have not been able to deter them in any effective manner.

  2. askcheeta. I have tried to visit your site, but realize perhaps you don’t have one. I enjoyed your comment quoting Confucius. I have read some works on the man, but I think I would enjoy reading some more. Any recommendations?

    • Let me figure out my “site”- I did have at least a blog posting a while back. I have been devoted to the I Ching, the ancient Chinese oracle, for many years. It has been said that both Lao Tzu and Confucius were influenced by it. Yin and Yang, the eternal dance of the polarities. Confucius was more focused on society, on morals, on ethics, on the family, than on spirituality or cosmic thought and mysticism as Lao Tzu was, as history tells us.
      Lao Tzu is associated with the origins of Taoism, less concerned with society and more with the individual’s relationship to the cosmos. I am fascinated by this period, as you may guess, and the correlations between that period of thought and today’s science………anyway, besides the internet, I might suggest you go to a good college or used book store and skim through the Chinese or Eastern religion section for good books. (I Ching, Tao Teh Ching, etc.)

      • I would be more interested it what u are interested in. The realm of ethics and society puts me to sleep. Thanks for the tips. I have started to get the energy up to begin reading again. I have pretty much spent most of my youth absorbing European thought, architecture and art. An exploration of the other side of the world and these men u have mentioned is of great interest to me. The individual and what he/she is to do given the knowledge of the cosmos we know of.

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  3. Oh Man! Very well put Mr. Tin, couldn’t have said it better myself. You are so right. It is those 1%(er’s) that keep mankind in an ever cycle of declination. Feeding the masses with mundane stuff such as entertainment. It’s clear to see that instead of inspiring the youths to become great academics or great thinkers they pollute their feeble minds with ideas of becoming rich and famous and thus a lot of teens drop out of school to pursue an endeavour in a soulless industry i.e. the entertainment business. Now-a-days we see more “America’s got talent and Idol” shows that its rare to ever see shows that explore or reward people for critical thinking, I would say jeopardy but that too now is just a mockery of the veil they put in front to blind us from learning the real truths; that knowledge is the key to all success.

    • Might even be less that 1 percent. Yes, the garbage on the TV and internet and movie theaters and the crap on the radio waves all leads to degeneration. In addition you have horrible schools and rising college costs, stagnant wages, huge personal, state, and federal debt. The few have siphoned away most of the pie.

  4. I am with Anne – If the ‘majority’ were able to disassociate themselves from the crap fed to them by the promoters of crap then, and only then, we might see a change in values and understanding of true priorities. I am, however, pessimistic about this possibility. The projected illusion is very strong and the promoters of crap really know what they are doing. For example – when teaching I often asked my students if they could disconnect from TV for one week. I shared that I had not had TV for 20 years. They were in stunned disbelief and stated that there was no way they could disconnect for an entire week. Now it was me in stunned disbelief! So there we have it – a generation caught inextricably in the web of capitalist propaganda with no escape in sight…

    • A friend of mine and I put it thus: “Stop investing in your own enslavement”. We said this, for instance, to people protesting in the Occupy Movement and then afterwards going to a Pub to watch and cheer on millionaire jocks as their heroes. Just one of many examples if this pitiable phenomenon. For fuck sake people connect the dots! But as Clinnock observes, sadly they won’t. The outlook is bleak. We are in a “death spiral”–the only way to pull out of it is to wake up. But what good is that when the overwhelming majority of passengers and even the captains of the vessel are asleep at the wheel? Doesn’t stop me from joyfully dancing upon the snoring corpses, but it’s weird to dance in a careening ship full of somnambulists headed for the rocks of Hell.

  5. We are becoming increasingly less enslaved. This is a misconception which stems from context and subjective reality. Take a step back and view objectively where humanity is versus where we were 2000 years ago. We literally had human enslavement.

    The 1% because of their greed is actually building us toward more freedom. A perfect example is digital media. Record labels wanted to make more and more money in order to to do this they came up wither cheaper and cheaper ways to duplicate content. The end result was that it backfired because they innovated so much that when the general public got a hold of it duplication became rampant. The same thing happened with the printing press.

    What is happening now is that because of greed you have the elite starting to phase out human manual labor all together by utilizing robots. The same thing will ultimately happen in this as well, 3D printing is a reality.

    While I don’t believe in everything Karl Marx said, he was of the opinion that the ultimate catalyst for perfect socialism (a Utopian state) would be capitalism, thought it was not guaranteed. By letting the greedy run their course they create means of production that are so efficient that they themselves become irrelevant.

    Also don’t confuse economy with different economic philosophies. An economy is simply a process in which transactions occur, it has no purpose. The way an economy functions and its purpose is defined by philosophies. What you’re defining is a socialist philosophy the objective of which is that an economy should provide a high quality of life for everybody. A capitalistic philosophy believes that quality in either method or product should be the ultimate objective; a side-effect of which many believe (in my opinion incorrectly) to create a high quality of life.

    The best example we have of a true free market is nature. It took several billion years for that free market to create one creature that could control fire. In contrast a socially backed free market has developed flight, telecommunications, and major medical advances all in the past 200 years.

  6. Thank you for taking the time to express your ideas J.W. I think there may be a lot of people in your camp. But here is a brief response. First, those in control (less than 1% of the 7 billion) will not relinquish their wealth or power. Wealth and power is built on the accumulation of money and more wealth is generated off that money via informed investments or rigged investments. As long as currency represents value, the few will always be in control at the expense of the many. For example, do you not think it is possible for the human race to create other forms of transportation that release us from our dependence on oil? The juggernaut is that there are a few who don’t want us to abandon oil and those few have enormous resources and power to thwart any attempts at new innovative energy applications or proper city planning and use of efficient public transportation. The few simply siphon away money and wealth from the many. This is what is occurring all over the world.

    Also, the idea that the few will become irrelevant as we create a robotic society doesn’t appear to be panning out. Robots and technology have been replacing jobs for decades. What ends up taking place is the masses simply take worse paying jobs, live off food stamps and other government programs, and simply plod along to get by. And they are made to feel like it is their own fault that they can’t live the American Dream.

    Now, you seem to have a belief that time equals progression for the human species. I would argue that we reach peaks and fall into valleys and abysses through time. Sure, advances in medicine and technology has enable our species to grow to 7 billion, but I am less interested in quantity than I am quality. An I would put forward the argument, from a spiritual and cultural point of view, that we are in fact as a whole in a deep abyss. Economics is our culture, spirituality, and purpose for existence. And the few use this new religion to control and extract the energy and wealth from the masses for their own benefit.

    I am not advocating equality for all by any means, but I contemplate the idea of structures that enable a higher quality of life for the whole that improves generation after generation. But that is mere fantasy. When I observe as objectively as possible what is taking place before my eyes, I don’t see progression or evolution or forward progress relative to slices of past periods in time. Rather, I see little more than a death spiral.

    And let me add one other remark for now. Given all these advances in technology and medicine, how has it significantly improved the education of our young, their competitiveness in the world, their knowledge and well being? How affordable is access to quality medical care? If anything, the trend is less access to quality medical care and higher costs to the individual. Corporations are bailing on health care coverage across the board because it is eating into their precious profits. You see, all these inventions are concerned with one primary goal — maximize profit. They aren’t concerned with improving the education and lives of our young or ensuring our populace receives the utmost quality and access to medical care.

    • The fact that your biggest concern is about education shows how far the human race has come. A lot of the perceived problems (they are still problems) actually stem from media over coverage of bad events. For instance if you only had 365 murders a year, and that is all the media covered each day you would think the world was a really bad place, but 365 murders in a population of 6 billion is utopia. A lot of the views you have don’t reflect what has actually been going on in the world, instead they reflect a biased view that is a result of event selection. I recommend watching this video where Steven Pinker goes through violence historically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk

      The rich relinquish control all the time, if they didn’t no one would be living in houses or apartments. They relinquish control every time a union bands together and threatens to stop working. If your theory was accurate, then people would still be in the same working condition they were a hundred years ago, but they’re not; people used to not even get washroom breaks. People’s general quality of life has been ascending, how could you possibly explain people’s lives getting better if they are nothing but slaves? Also, I am not sure where you live, but I am Canadian and I have universal health care.

      Every issue you outlined is a first world issue. In the past education, poverty, and starvation were not issues, you were in a forest hoping to find something to eat and hoping that someone else would not kill you, you didn’t think about how educated you were.

      Also, I live in Canada, and we have universal health care. The states may have it too, depending on how the election goes. That said, there isn’t world wide consistency, but there is a current trend. In fact ALL, and I mean ALL statistics are pointing to the world becoming a better place. If you don’t believe me, watch this video

      • Most of my concerns about education are through my education and watching my son going through the public school system. It is also important to note high school drop outs are on the rise and people have less access to higher education due to costs and if they do go they graduate with a mountain of debt.

        Canada is enjoying a good place right now because of your small population and vast natural resources. I could point to the Scandinavian countries as other exceptions to the rule, but then we are talking about less than 1% of the 7 billion people in the world. Lets see how China and India play out over the next two-hundred years. What are the working conditions like in China and India? Where have all our jobs gone? What are the working conditions for American’s right now…is it comfortable? Do Americans have a great and happy fulfilling life? How many people hate their jobs and pump themselves full of happy pills, drugs, and alcohol just to get through the day? How have wages in the United States and in Europe kept pace with those on the high-end in the last few decades even with labor unions? Really…the rich have relinquished their control? The only way the rich give up power and wealth is through bloody rebellion and death.

        You think the world is becoming a better place because there are more humans and we can feed more humans and more humans have access to cars, TV’s, homes, heat, and they are living longer? What statistics are you referring too? How do you define a better life or a better place? Is our world more beautiful now than it was thousands of years ago? Is our air cleaner, our waters fresher? Is there an abundance of different species that are thriving? Are people more fulfilled and happier now than they were one-hundred, two-hundred, one-thousand years ago? Check out a documentary called Profits of Doom…and I will check out your video above when I fix adobe flash…I can’t watch videos at this time…LOL

      • Profits of doom, or prophets of doom?

        Since your talking about the public system, I am assuming you’re in america. If you haven’t seen I recommend the documentary waiting for superman which pretty much outlines why the system is failing so miserably. A lot, if not almost all of america’s problems stem from improper education. If you don’t have a proper educated populous nothing else will work, period. It is very easy to lead uneducated people like sheep.

        The two videos I referenced, while on you tube, are actually TED talks (about 10 mins each), I am sure you can find them on there as well.

        This is a personal preference, but I would rather live in a city then a full forest, for good reason. When creates evolve together they develop a dependency on each other, it is on a neurological level that you appreciate trees, in many ways you lack free will in regards to your notions on nature, this is not a bad thing because nature is very necessary at this given time.

        However, for every beautiful creature, there is a creature that injects its larvae into another animal which then proceeds to eat it from the inside out. Do not be deceived that nature is this beautiful perfect place, for every butterfly, there is a bird ripping it to shreds trying to stay alive. Humans have created an artificial relationship with nature because we can control it. We place grass we want, we place trees we want and we create parks we prefer. A good example is this, you’re walking down a paved path in a park and think “nature is so great” then you see dog poop in the middle of the path, gross right? It might be gross but that is probably the most natural thing on your walk.

        When I see New York lit up at night, that is awe inspiring, a forest does nothing for me. I understand this is personal opinion, but I honestly think there is very strong disconnect between what people think nature is (butterflies and roses) and what nature actually is.

        Now there seems to be this view of the rich that they sit in their thrones on the top of buildings looking down at the working class laughing. I hate to break it to you but these “rich” people are real people. I have been fortunate to meet some of them, and guess what? They eat breakfast, they have kids, and they don’t sit around talking about how they are going to screw people over. Some of them came from middle class families. There is also this view they don’t work, again, hate to disappoint you, but they don’t work 9-5, they work 7-7 (if they are lucky). They’re not evil, and they’re not out to screw people over.

        People have to work, period. A society cannot support itself without everyone working, it doesn’t matter if it is socialism or capitalism. I know people who aren’t well off tend to assume that the wealthy don’t work, but this a major fallacy.

      • LOL, yes Prophets of Doom:) I enjoy our conversations because we think very differently about the present and future. Of course, there is always misunderstanding since we know little about one another and it is difficult to express a thorough argument in this type of limited text realm. I live in the Northwest in America.

        Yes, education in America is poor, but it is also poor in China and India for a large percentage of the population. And that is one of my key points. The areas where population is greatest or growing is where you will find poor education. In my opinion, if technology was put to proper use, education would be free and available to all and from there you begin to segregate by ability. But that is a long topic to discuss.

        Now, your idea of how I view nature is not how I view nature or the universe. A good example is our Northwest volcanoes. Indeed they are majestic and beautiful, but they are also capable of mass destruction. I have seen so many nature programs I understand the eat or be eaten dynamic in the natural world. Creation and destruction, or birth and death, are all part of equation. And no, we can’t control nature. Nature incorporates more than just the animate, but also all inanimate processes. Nature will have the last word if we continue on our current course….which we will.

        Now, you prefer the city. I enjoy a good city as well…are you kidding me? I love to look at beautiful women, eat at nice restaurants, go listen to a good symphony..blah blah blah. But I also enjoy a walk along the ocean, or in unspoiled and undeveloped mountains…get away from all the human noise and ugliness we have created in architecture and concrete, strip malls and mega malls, suburban sprawl…blah blah blah. And you are wrong about your claim that one is less dependent in the city. We have become completely dependent on other people. How do you get your food, your clothes, your heat, your light, your everything? It is from other people. If someone were to drop you or I in the middle of Jungle or Forest or Ocean, we wouldn’t be able to survive a week.

        Now, regarding my thoughts on the rich…you should know this. I was raised in a middle class family that became relatively rich as my dad became a CEO for a large Fortune 500 company. I have also experienced a period in my life where I would be considered in the single digit wealth range given my income. I understand that the rich work hard, but you are wrong about the rich not being out to screw people. That is exactly what they are doing. They desensitize themselves to other people…they have too. And I am talking about the very rich and powerful that make money on money. I am talking about those at the top of firms like Goldman Sachs, Enron (history), the venture capital world (Dot Com and now social media…think Facebook), the bankers, the CEO’s of huge conglomerate corporations. Your are very naive to think otherwise. A few documentaries to watch…Inside Job, Smartest Guys in the Room.

        Here a terrific poem by one of my favorite modern poets that talks about the city and man’s dependence on one another.

        The Purse-Seine

        Our sardine fishermen work at night in the dark
        of the moon; daylight or moonlight
        They could not tell where to spread the net,
        unable to see the phosphorescence of the
        shoals of fish.
        They work northward from Monterey, coasting
        Santa Cruz; off New Year’s Point or off
        Pigeon Point
        The look-out man will see some lakes of milk-color
        light on the sea’s night-purple; he points,
        and the helmsman
        Turns the dark prow, the motorboat circles the
        gleaming shoal and drifts out her seine-net.
        They close the circle
        And purse the bottom of the net, then with great
        labor haul it in.

        I cannot tell you
        How beautiful the scene is, and a little terrible,
        then, when the crowded fish
        Know they are caught, and wildly beat from one wall
        to the other of their closing destiny the
        phosphorescent
        Water to a pool of flame, each beautiful slender body
        sheeted with flame, like a live rocket
        A comet’s tail wake of clear yellow flame; while outside
        the narrowing
        Floats and cordage of the net great sea-lions come up
        to watch, sighing in the dark; the vast walls
        of night
        Stand erect to the stars.

        Lately I was looking from a night mountain-top
        On a wide city, the colored splendor, galaxies of light:
        how could I help but recall the seine-net
        Gathering the luminous fish? I cannot tell you how
        beautiful the city appeared, and a little terrible.
        I thought, We have geared the machines and locked all together
        into inter-dependence; we have built the great cities; now
        There is no escape. We have gathered vast populations incapable
        of free survival, insulated
        From the strong earth, each person in himself helpless, on all
        dependent. The circle is closed, and the net
        Is being hauled in. They hardly feel the cords drawing, yet
        they shine already. The inevitable mass-disasters
        Will not come in our time nor in our children’s, but we
        and our children
        Must watch the net draw narrower, government take all
        powers–or revolution, and the new government
        Take more than all, add to kept bodies kept souls–or anarchy,
        the mass-disasters.
        These things are Progress;
        Do you marvel our verse is troubled or frowning, while it keeps
        its reason? Or it lets go, lets the mood flow
        In the manner of the recent young men into mere hysteria,
        splintered gleams, crackled laughter. But they are
        quite wrong.
        There is no reason for amazement: surely one always knew
        that cultures decay, and life’s end is death.

        Robinson Jeffers

    • So I watched the entire documentary, I will comment on everything. There is a common theme regarding peak oil, this will not be an issue in 16 years. I am not just saying this, I can back it up with numbers. Right now solar energy is doubling in efficiency every 2 years, and halving in cost every year. For the last 25 years, year over year, we have actually been decreasing our dependency on oil. All power in the future will be solar, anyone who thinks differently has no idea what is going on in the world. Here are articles to back up what I am saying:

      Over the last year, solar energy has dropped in cost by about 65%
      http://go.bloomberg.com/multimedia/solar-silicon-price-drop-brings-renewable-power-closer/

      This guy made predictions in 2006 that were dead on based on the exponetial growth of certain technologies.
      http://bigthink.com/think-tank/ray-kurzweil-solar-will-power-the-world-in-16-years

      Disclaimer, this guy was a former Shell exec, but his numbers are correct, except for the fact that he sees renewables as something that is far out

      This is ray’s talking on exponetial acceleration in technology

      The most accurate story in this documentary is regarding water, this guy has done through research, and I think is the most probable. Next, the singularity has no definition, the idea of the singularity is that we will hit a point with technology that it will change the world in fundamentals ways and we cannot predict what is PAST the singularity. Also the idea that we will be fighting robots discounts human augmentation.

      In regards to nuclear strikes, there is some big misconceptions. One nuclear bomb does not equal one city, it never has. I recommend watching this video http://www.ted.com/talks/irwin_redlener_warns_of_nuclear_terrorism.html He actually talks about how to survive a nuclear attack.

      The quality of education has nothing to do with population, I am not sure if you have actually done research or you are just being dishonest with yourself, but China actually has one of the best education systems in the world, here is an article to validate this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17585201. It is not an issue of population, it is an issue of implementation. The problems in the states stem from the fact that principles are not allow to fire bad teachers because of unions. Again I highly recommend the documentary “waiting for superman” which dives into details.

      Also, a final note, I have watched some of the documentaries you have discussed. The documentaries are purposefully designed to be dramatic to get ratings. They play on people’s emotions, this does not make them true or accurate. You seem to have a nihilistic view of the world, alot of people do, it’s actually an easier view to hold. It is easier to be negative then positive, but that doesn’t mean you should allow yourself to be manipulated by the media.

      • All media is pretty biased. In fact, even the articles you provide above have bias. I read them. I can find articles that counter your articles, but what is the point. Most people that write and get paid for it have an agenda and are getting money for one reason or another. Do you really think the majority of Chinese and Indian kids are getting a top notch education? What about the growing populations in third world countries? Shit, we can barely educate our young here in the United States. And yes, population size has a great deal to do with many things including resource scarcity. It isn’t a coincidence that many small populous countries, like Canada, enjoy a higher quality of life.

        Now, this guy that says solar energy will be the source of all our needs and that it will be rolled out in 16 years….lol…no fucking way. Not only are there incredible power structures that will never let that happen so rapidly because it would create major economic upheavals and the powerful and wealthy will use all their power to keep siphoning more money away from the many, but you are also forgetting a huge piece of the puzzle. Solar power expansion to such an extent that it would provide all our energy needs would require a massive capital investment world-wide on the scale we have never seen before. America and Europe are broke. Other economies aren’t loaded with cash. Individuals have very little capital and can barely make ends meet while being loaded up with credit card and bank debt. Think about how much of a capital outlay it would cost in California to install solar panels just to heat your swimming pool. Do you think all families throughout the world could afford to pay for solar panel installation to meet all their energy needs? What about cars? The existing energy sources require much less capital outlays because the infrastructure is in place and we haven’t run out of supplies. In fact there are huge coal reserves in China and the United States to name a few.

        Don’t get me wrong, I would love for us to rely on the sun and wind for our energy and I am all for it. But I think I have a more realistic grasp of economics than you and the motivation, control, and power that the few wealthy wield. Perhaps in a hundred years we will create a better use of energy, but 16 years???? No way Jose.

        I am not a nihilist. I have too many tendencies to think of Utopian solutions to improve the quality of life for mankind. But, I am very critical of the status quo and I would never throw all my apples into a blind faith belief basket that technology will solve all our problems. Technology hasn’t been able to solve our problems and in fact it has created new ones.

      • This is not about what is affordable now, it is about what will be affordable in 8 years, 16 years etc.. The best example is computer power, 20 years ago a computer took up an entire room, now we have computer that are thousands of times faster in our pockets. This same trend is happening in solar energy.

        You are right, -right now-, solar power is still too expensive, but year over year solar power is doubling in efficiency and getting exponentially cheaper. At the rate we are going right now (which is the same rate that computer power improved) in less then 16 years you will be able to power your entire home for very cheap. Exponential growth starts at slow, and then explodes at the end.

        Why did the rich not stop the computer revolution? surely there was industries with very wealthy people who what of benefited from computers not existing.

        Yes, actually I do think Chinese kids get good education, because they are not unionized and education is properly regulated and federally mandated.

        Technology has help solve a significant amount of problems. We can now communicate across the world and travel across the world. It has helped curse diseases that today can be fixed with a single shot, but a couple hundred years ago would of killed you.

        Perfect example, in the Bible it talks about leprosy a lot, killed lots of people. Today, we have a cure for leprosy.

        While it is true that we waste a lot when it comes to foods, (trillions of tons are wasted every year just in the USA) starvation is still much smaller then it was in the past.

        If we were to abandon technology, we would be enslaved to manual labor for our entire existence. There is no utopia without technology, it has actually been tried and it fails (in the case of communism) because even the most noble person has selfish tendencies. Pure capitalism also fails because then you get things like the Robber Barons.

        The reason why you get things like the computer revolution, and why you will get things like a solar power revolution is because the greedy are greedy against others who are greedy. By this I mean, a greedy industrialist will produce cheap solar power to under cut other people in his own industry. It’s not a you vs them scenario when it comes to rich vs poor. It is a rich vs rich vs poor vs poor.

        You seem like a very passionate person, and I think you have the capability of changing people’s lives because you seem to be a creative mind. I think however that your world view has been jaded and distorted by your personal experiences with your son and father. The world is not a black and white place. Not all rich people are evil, and not all rich people are good. Do you think warren buffet gave 60 billion dollars to charity because he was evil? Here is a guy that was literally a billionaire and he continued to live in the same house and use the same car that he had before he became wealthy.

        Anyways, one thing I did discover through your prophets of doom documentary was the guy named Dr Nate Hagens, and him talking about how money is not everything.

      • You make some good points about the computer and internet revolution. I believe the industries most impacted are retail and publishing and telecommunications. Retail has been able to adopt hybrid models to take advantage of on-line and brick and mortar, but some have been wiped off the map. Of course Amazon is a pure play. Publishing (news papers, magazines, books) probably won’t be around much longer. Traditional methods of making money on Television have also been severely challenged.

        But an interesting point is that the internet was created and paid for by the government and tax payers back when there was more money and credit. Indeed, computers have created immense efficiencies, but as you know, it has also resulted in enormous job loss. I am not a fan of meaningless work and labor just to provide jobs. But, people must be equipped with the skills to participate when change occurs or you end up with what you see happening today. And when you have an ever increasing population, the problems simply mount like a snow ball rolling down a hill.

        I believe technology could be used to educate people to a much higher standard. There should be computers in every class room or at home throughout the world with intelligent programs that adapt to a kids or adults style of learning. But, there isn’t much money to made there and as a result we don’t see technology being used “widely” for that purpose. We still hold on to the traditional class room setting in most scenarios…which can be very very boring. Imagine where the computer could take a young supple mind through curriculum and images and videos.

        The barriers between the technology revolution and a solar revolution are very different. The technology and computer revolution didn’t require a complete infrastructure overhaul. And I am not sure the lobby power and wealth generated from the industries impacted by the technology revolution were nearly as powerful and wealthy as the existing energy complex. Energy is so very critical to everything we do.

        Individual citizens, businesses, and government operations can afford energy because it is a weekly or monthly expense. Most of the stakeholders don’t have an abundance of cash in the bank. Cash has been siphoned into the banks accounts of a few people. And I often make the argument are these few people (Buffet for example) worth the billions they have in their bank accounts. Does the amount of money you have accumulated equal the value or worth you created? I say no fucking way. The money system and distribution or flow of money is a huge problem. And this is why the solar revolution will take decades or a century or longer to come to fruition. Think about the massive capital outlay to create an entirely new system of energy storage and distribution throughout the world based on solar. We are talking about a massive investment at a time when most stakeholders are broke. As such, most will opt for the weekly or monthly incremental expense. Only when the traditional energy sources begin to run out and that incremental expense becomes so large will the idea of alternative sources of energy take a major foothold.

        I don’t advocate a world without technology. As you said, it gives us many benefits. I am thinking of doing a post on this topic — the positives and negatives of technology. As I have said, if we used technology to its highest and best use by removing obstacles like politics, money, and greed, I think we could reap a harvest through this tool. But, there would have to be a human revolution in thought and philosophy to make such a thing possible. Some of the cons of technology are obesity, brain damage from sitting around watching stupid shit on TV, pollution, weapons of mass destruction, hacking and fraud, consumption of limited resources, more people that live longer resulting in a huge population with scarce resources, job loss with no alternative to upgrade people to be productive. These are a few examples. Sure, technology, if used to best and highest use, could solve these problems, but that loops back to my original point.

        Now, you said I may be jaded. Aren’t we all? Aren’t our experiences in life what shape our views? We can read and obtain an excellent education, but our experiences are also part of the equation. A person that enjoys the perfect life when everything goes as planned may also be considered jaded correct? We are all vulnerable to our own lens. All we can do is try to look through that lens as objectively as possible knowing that that lens is distorted. I am not sure there is an individual that knows the truth and is equipped with perfect objectivity.

    • This is a complete opinion, but I think in regards to solar energy it won’t be about building infrastructure, it will be about decentralization. Once you have the technology improve enough, you will have greedy people bring products on to the market that will allow people to get off the grid. This, mind you, is already happening, but it is still to expensive for the average person (around 15,000-25,000 depending on the size of your home). However, once the cost drops to 5000 or less, you will have a significant amount of people simply generating their own power. This will be very difficult to prevent, short of the government stepping in and saying you can’t generate your own power, but that would be a pretty hard law to enforce. So once it gets efficient enough, you will be able to get your own solar generators, in the same way people can now get their own PCs.

      The biggest risk to the above is if the power companies collapse certain initiatives. I have an inventor in my family that has a lot of patents, some things you see every day. One of the things he created was a car that ran off water, all the science already exists, the concept is pretty simple (split the water with energy, utilize the hydrogen). He took it on the street, made sure it worked. Then filed the patent, the car companies swooped in and bought it from him. This could be a reality with solar power, but I am not inclined to think it won’t because there is so many companies doing research, and also similar to the internet, you have some government R&D.

      Based on what happens in the next 4-6 years we will be able to determine if the 16 year prediction is rue. If it is true, most of the implementation and propagation of decentralized power will happen in the last 4-6 years of the 16 year time frame. The funny thing about technology is when these crazy changes happen, shortly after people shrug their shoulders. Our lives, particularly in first world nations is fundamentally different then the way they used to be, but to us it is normal. We take for granted we can fly anywhere, communicate across the world, or heck, just have fresh running water. If power stops being an issue, there will just be new issues we will focus on.

      I have struggled with the idea of true Objectivism, because the way our realities are formed are through our personal experiences. In fact I can pin point certain experiences in my life that have affected my world view. How can we determine what is truly right?

      I have identified two primary ways, the first is to try and find people that benefit from being right, not from being liked. These people do exist, whether it is the greedy business man who needs to make the right choices to make more money and cares more about reality then their ideals, or a third party agencies that have no incentives to be bias. The second way is to listen to two people with contradicting views and figure out what they both are leaving out. If you have two people with different views leaving something out, more often then not what is being left out is the truth.

      For the last two thousand years we have had people predicting the end of the world. Thirty years ago you had people saying we would be at peak oil and have run out of food by now. There is no risk in saying that the world will end in X years. In fact, I truly believe, that one of the reasons the wealthy remain wealthy (corporations, not just people) is because they keep populations in fear.

      Fear is the best marketing tool in the world, whether it is the fear of missing out, or the fear the world is going to end. If you have a dark view of the world or think everything is going to fail, you are more likely to act irrationally. The world is going to hell, might as well spend all my money and go on vacations. The world is doomed for a capitalistic crash, might as well get more credit.

      As far as the wealthy are concerned, it is in their benefit for people to believe the world is doomed then to believe the future is bright. How much money was spent because people thought the world was going to end on the year 2000? and now we have the December 2012 prediction. When the world doesn’t end, the economy doesn’t crash, and the oil doesn’t run out, they are sitting on all the cash.

      • I want to make it over to your site. We have probably almost exhausted this discussion, but I will say a few things and feel free to reply, but I do want to get to your site.

        The idea of decentralization is very appealing to me. I would love to have a home or condo or apartment that was powered by solar. Perhaps you are right. I don’t know. But, there are cost benefits to a centralized power grid whether it be as it is now or via solar. There are synergies by size that can reduce costs and capital outlays. But let me make a few points here about your comparison between PC’s and energy. PC’s and other mobile devices run on energy (and batteries that require energy to re-juice), the internet, and satellites. There is a centralized infrastructure PC’s and mobile devices depend upon. I am not sure energy could be completely decentralized or might I say a centralized approach may result in a better NPV. Think about all the businesses, homes, and governments operations throughout the world. And, not all places on Earth get sun light that is frequent and intense enough to be decentralized. Remember…I live in the Northwest. We might be better off with more hydro power…which we currently have.

        Another problem to consider is if we went 100% solar in 16 years, what would happen to all the investments in infrastructure for our current energy supply and what would happen to all the people employed in that industry? More than likely, they couldn’t simply transfer to the solar industry and the existing infrastructure would have be torn down (expensive).

        You point out that buyouts of patents may hold up the advancement of a solar revolution. I think that is very likely. The big energy companies will do this to appear like they give a shit about the environment and they will take their sweet time converting over to solar. But, I also think the lobby power will continue to buy out our puppet government and prolong a solar revolution. Even Obama, a man of change (or so that is what he campaigned on) can’t overcome the corruption.

        Your comment about buyout of patents or promising businesses to thwart competition made me think of Facebook. And the point I want to make here is that Facebook is a symptom of what is wrong with how we use our best and brightest technology experts. Facebook competes with Google and other tech companies to get the best talent. Do you not think we could use our best and brightest for technology applications that are more value added to the world than Facebook? Facebook, in my opinion, is a sham. If plays on people’s vanity and it lies in its mission statement. The goal isn’t to connect the world, the goal is take a billion users and monetize the shit of them.

        Now, objectivism is indeed very difficult. I always fall back to Socrates as I think his dialectic method is a superior means to chisel away at the truth or objectivity. I also like the debate format with subject matter experts that have differing view points. I am not sure just two people are enough. I prefer more. You watched the prophets of doom. I think that documentary would have been far better if they had a panel of experts that had opposing views to those gloomy smart guys.

        I like your comments about fear. I also think capitalism employs other methods. Among them are preying upon human weakness. By this I mean the debt and credit option. Tell an animal or a human he/she can have all this today for a slight interest charge and they will devour it. Another powerful tool used is marketing and advertising. If you buy this, you become this type of person. The whole branding concept captures people’s insecurities. Marketing and advertising is employed with laser focus on human psychology based on demographics. It is really a ruthless science to get people to spend their money. The marketing and advertising and media also flourish when the populous develops a herd mentality due to lack of independent thinking and knowledge. Sway the herd this way or that and you can make a killing.

        Don’t get me wrong. I think capitalism is a great form of economics for small business. But I fear the huge conglomerates, the investments banks, the banks, venture capital, the hyper rich, and the lobbyists have destroyed the good parts of capitalism and now what we have is a powerful legalized crime syndicate that controls the economy and distribution of wealth. Even the media is tied into the crime syndicate. Look who owns the media.

      • The main documentary is pretty long, but here is a 6 minute video you might be interested in regarding education in the USA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQVLYV_ZKlQ (it is pulled from the documentary)

        Well a couple of final comments on Solar. A decentralized system does have a major advantage, and that is it is catastrophe resistant. If everyone has their own generators, it is much harder to wipe out huge blocks of people at the same time. One of the best examples of solar power I have seen is on calculators, think how many batteries have been saved because of solar calculators. You are right about your comments regarding access to sun, I live in Canada and we have the added risk of snow, so the panels would also have to be heated. Though at the expoential growth we are witnessing, that might not even be an issue because even small amounts of sunlight may be able to sustain for a long time. I think if we continue this path, it might just hit everyone suddenly. There are alot of people who still believe that to get your home to run off only solar panel would cost hundreds of thousands, this was true 10-15 years ago. Time will tell.

        As for education technology, I built a website called Scribble Maps, which was featured by Google and the primary user of it is teachers, I know first hand some of the problems of building energy technology, we’re in a constant fight figuring out how to make money, but also keep the service free for teachers. Coders have the capability to do great things, but not all coders are hardware engineers. I think there is a possibility facebook could be beneficial to the human race sometime in the future, but it is not evident right now. The biggest hope is that all those new millionaires actually go and do something productive with it. Google on the other hand is regularily launching projects and charities aimed at trying to change the world. Though Eric Schmidt has warned of something he is calling a technology gap with new technologies coming out. People controlling money is bad, but money can be moved around. Imagine having augmented humans, but only the rich could afford it. Now not only would they control the money, they would also be hyper intelligent.

        This I actually something I fear with the coming of what people are calling H+ technologies, I think human augmentations should be available to all.

  7. I have read with interest the TinCup/J.Wagner match………….two bright guys coming from different angles……….above my pay grade…..all I have to say is if everyday life on earth is a movie, then nearly everyone would write a different review on what they see. We all have been to a movie, and after find out our mate or friend had a completely different take on the film. Same reality, different response. I guess I like the idea of sitting around a campfire with friends discussing life, more than I like someone “on stage” telling the “unknowing” audience THE “truth”…….I’m happier having people get to “truths” through discussion and a desire for knowledge wherever or whoever or however it is birthed.
    It is interesting to try understanding the impact technology has had on all of us, and to ask if we will ever again be “simply human” in the way Socrates or Emerson or even our fathers were……as humans and technology seem headed to some kind of “hybrid” as they become closer and closer, so to speak.
    Anyone can now buy a portable solar generator, settle in the woods of Honduras, hook up laptop, and in my case take pictures of locals and print them out……there does seem to be trends of great consolidation and conglomerates, and more ability to live “off the grid” as an individual as well. A guy like Elon Musk manages to be an individual who may well take us to the moon or beyond…..
    How will the future develop? Will mankind learn to co-exist reasonably peacefully, sharing and benefiting from technical and social advances, or will an “elite” split off even more than today and wield their power over the masses in totalitarian ways? Of course there are other possibilities as well. I personally believe in time humans will discover within their own consciousness links to others, and to the cosmos in ways we have yet to even think about…..
    perhaps we will discover powers of human consciousness to match the wonders of our technological creations.

    • I enjoyed your comments and contributions askchheeta. I like the campfire idea as well…either in the mountains or by the ocean…a roaring fire. And I think you correctly point out how each individual sees the same event differently…at least I hope that is the case.

      You seem like a very intelligent man. I thank you for the compliment about being bright, but I am not bright. I think all I have is a higher level of observation than some. I was brought up under the idea the the “A” students teach, the “B” students follow, and the “C” students lead. There is nothing I can do about that upbringing now. All those young formative years when the brain is developing are lost forever. I am a hybrid between an athlete and an observer. I am a believer in the Greek philosophy of sound mind and sound body. I wish I worked on the mind at a younger age.

      None of us know how the future will unfold. I like to think that the highest and best use of technology is to free us from economics and to focus on improving our knowledge and consciousness. We are only as strong as our weakest link. I fear the majority of the 7 billion are weak links due to circumstances at birth, the game of economics, and therefore the lack of resources available to educate them properly. But again, that is a perspective from my lens. You seem like a well read man. My favorite modern poet that I connect very strongly with is Robbinson Jeffers. He is my nemesis. My brother’s writings are also very powerful and hit home.

      • When I lived in Seattle years ago before returning to the South, my partner was a poet and she got me to write as well. Now I’m gonna study me some Jeffers. Just this evening I’ve decided I’m an artist by nature. Maybe that explains my resistance to “institutions” and my devotion to the individual………

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